powerjack 24-volt 6000 watt lf psw sp amg version

[pilgrimvalley]

powerjack has a few versions of this being sold now. i just ordered the 24-volt 6000 watt one to test out. it should be here in a few days. i will update when i know more. they also have a 8k 12k and 16k version but progressively more expensive. it seems they are dropping prices now, maybe due to trade wars, i don't know or oversupply or who knows ... anyones speculation? maybe newer versions in the works.

question? do you think 2 of these could be hooked up to the same ac panel to effectively control 6000 watts? i know i know - lucky if each one will do 3000 as they are likely over rated and definitely will not do 6000 continuosly. but the question is can 2 be wired to the same ac breaker box. put them on the same terminals in the ac breaker box?

forgive my question if it is dumb? 

6000W LF split phase pure sine wave power inverter DC24v/AC110V&220V/AMG version

3000W continue power for both 110V & 220V AC

 

Brand	Power Jack
Item no.	LF-SP-PSW-6000-24-110/220
Continuous Output Power	3000W
Max Output Power	12000W
DC Input Voltage	24V
AC Output Voltage	110V/220V
Regulation	±5%
Frequency	60HZ±3%
Efficiency	90%
Output Wave Form	Pure Sine Wave
Temperature Protection	70C
Input Low Voltage Alarm	21V
Input Low Voltage shutdown	20V
Input High Voltage Alarm	29V
Input High Voltage shutdown	>30V
Dimension	400*290*240MM
Warranty	1 year
Net Weight	11.5Kgs
Certificate	CE
Components	Made in CHINA
Design	Taiwan

 

 

[pilgrimvalley]

6000w LF 

Split phase

Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter 

 

AC 110V: 3000W continue power, 12000w peak power

 

AC220V: 3000W continue power,  12000w peak power

 

 DC 24V to AC 110V & 220v  

AMG VERSION

 

OPTION A(factory setting):

110v max output: 3000w

 

JUMP CABLE OPERATION: 

2PCS jumper cable required, 

1+3 & 2+4

no 220v service

 

output operation:

L1+N1 OR L2+N2=110V MAX OUTPUT

 

 

OPTION B:

1500W 110V OR 3000W 220V 

 

JUMP CABLE OPERATION: 

1PC jumper cable required, 

2+3

output operation:

 110V :

MAX 1500W

L1+N1 OR L2+N2

220V :

MAX 3000W

L1+L2

[pilgrimvalley]

[pilgrimvalley]

[Sid Genetry Solar]

14 minutes ago, pilgrimvalley said:

question? do you think 2 of these could be hooked up to the same ac panel to effectively control 6000 watts? i know i know - lucky if each one will do 3000 as they are likely over rated and definitely will not do 6000 continuosly. but the question is can 2 be wired to the same ac breaker box. put them on the same terminals in the ac breaker box?

Absolutely NOT.  There is no synchronization function ability between the inverters, and they will end up fighting each other until they blow up.  In order to parallel inverters, they HAVE to be designed for such operation--and I can assure you that PJ inverters are not.  Quite a sticky challenge for GS inverters (with the design) I have to say.

[pilgrimvalley]

i only connect these PowerJack inverters off-grid using LiFePO4 batteries, I have a new SquareD QO 100amp ac panel that i want to try out but it will not be connected to the grid in any way as there is no incentive to give to the grid system. i bought another 40 250 watt 60 cell panels (2 pallets)and 32 more LiFePO4 280Ah Eve cells to store more and plan to heat water this winter to store excess solar energy to moderate the cold in the old farm house.

i use the Electrodacus SBMS0 as the BMS(battery management system) and the Electrodacus DSSR20 as the soalr charge controllers on these 24-volt builds. i add 2 panels in parallel at a time and increase the PV electric generation. 

more later, 

[pilgrimvalley]

ok I will use them on separate breaker boxes or single circuit per inverter. just a dumb thought to parallel them. thanks for the reply "Sid".

i have 4 100 amp breaker boxes i can utilize off-grid.

[dickson]

powerjack has a few versions of this being sold now. i just ordered the 24-volt 6000 watt one to test out. it should be here in a few days. i will update when i know more. they also have a 8k 12k and 16k version but progressively more expensive. it seems they are dropping prices now, maybe due to trade wars, i don't know or oversupply or who knows ... anyones speculation? maybe newer versions in the works

Looking at  the ebay pictures  the transformer  is  copying the  GS  design  with one primary  32vac  and two separate  120 vac windings on one  core . There is no center tap  like the  ASL9  transformer .   Need to use jumper  as option 2 to make 240vac .  The 2  secondary  has to  be perfect balance 120vac L1 and  120vac  L2  to parallel  as option 1   to  output 120vac  only  .    The control board is 11.1  which has current  limit  to try to save the FET from blowing up .    Maybe the  dog will represent  Powerjack instead of the other  pictures on the manual .  

 

[pilgrimvalley]

the 20k version is the only one where i see them showing the transformer. perhaps a wifi board would fix it; or a bigger dog!

the 6k one i ordered is supposed to show up on Monday. maybe. it was already in usa warehouse. where the other ones are shipped from china with a 45-60 day wait time.

 

[pilgrimvalley]

I see ads for 12k, 16k, 20k, and a 26k, version at 48 volt and a 6k and 8k at 24-volt. no weights are listed so hard to say what is inside them. the one I ordered was a 24-volt 6k unit.🤔, I did see a 20k with an LCD screen. they are all variants of the new AMG style. who knows?

I did receive the 490 micro henry choke rated at 350 amps. have not done anything with it yet. 

been raining for 2 days but the LiFePO4 batteries are charged up for the most part from ythe solar panels through the clouds, sun did pop out this afternoon!

[TheButcher]

Is that the HMV dog, and why does it look like the dog is looking to the side and thinking 'Is it even safe to sit on this ting?'

[dickson]

the 6k one i ordered is supposed to show up on Monday. maybe. it was already in usa warehouse

Powerjack warehouse in Walnut California .  My ebay picture is the AMG  transformer  in the  12kw inverter with one mainboard .  The  20k AMG  has 6 wires transformer and rev 11.1 control board and AC  output board  and 2 mainboards.   The  15kw is now in one  green  box .     

[pilgrimvalley]

most all eBay ads say they are located in china and have a projected ship time of 45-60 days. this small one is coming out of Walnut, California; they may have some stored in Walnut, California in the other sizes; who knows!

it would be nice if they showed the pictures of the transformer and main boards in all ads and listed weight specifications, so one could get an inkling of what they are selling before bidding!

I am looking at the larger ones but have to buy on bid to try to get a better price.

I bought a 20amp 2k Variac transformer to test out on the ac 120 side of things! it arrived yesterday along with some 4/0 Hypalon tinned copper cable.

Question: so you indicate that the option to full 120 output would require a balanced transformer; on the AMG version; how can we check that? and of course the warranty is a short 14 days!

will be wiring in the ac breaker box hopefully this weekend! 

thanks in advance for any directions/help

off-grid is the goal!

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[dickson]

Question: so you indicate that the option to full 120 output would require a balanced transformer; on the AMG version; how can we check that? and of course the warranty is a short 14 day

First  set the inverter to 60 hz with the button in front and use a wattmeter  to indicate the  60 hz .  Yours do not have a button  on front  .   If  the wattmeter show 50 Hz  with the switch on  and a 60 Hz load is plug  on  the inverter will make a pulsating noise  then shut off  and try setting 60 Hz again if possible  or return  if 50 Hz .     Now check for balance  L1 winding  and L2 winding  with an AC  voltmeter  at the  4 output terminals .   Connect voltmeter  L1 and N1  and the  reading  maybe 119.1 volts  .  Connect voltmeter  L2 and N2  and the reading should read  exactly 119.1 volts . I mean  119.0  or 119.2  not 119.3  because the 2 separate windings are connected in parallel  to double the 120vac output .  the transformer will  make a loud hum if the 2 windings voltage are not the same and  need to tell the seller for return .  The transformer  should be almost silent  if the 2 windings  are balanced .   Walnut  Ca   store  the shipment from China  and store the spare parts  and  resell  the rebuilt  inverter now not rebult by Sean  and returned  inverter  that  they think is good but not tested completely  like Sean does  so you do not know  what is inside .   

[TheButcher]

Thought, it may also be that someone has returned an inverter to their USA collection / service site rather than ship it back to China and this is the stock they are sending out.  Could also be blown up units sent in for service, written off by the owner, repaired and put up for sale again.  If it were another company I wouldn't make that last observation but it is PJ so you can't rule out anything crook like that.

[Sid Genetry Solar]

1 hour ago, TheButcher said:

Thought, it may also be that someone has returned an inverter to their USA collection / service site rather than ship it back to China and this is the stock they are sending out.  Could also be blown up units sent in for service, written off by the owner, repaired and put up for sale again.  If it were another company I wouldn't make that last observation but it is PJ so you can't rule out anything crook like that.

I guarantee you that's what happens oftentimes if the inverters ship from the Walnut, CA warehouse 😉.

Why?

Because when Sean was doing PJ repairs, that's what he did.

🤣

 

Obviously, if something is repaired to original specification, there is not an issue with reselling a repaired inverter.  If it's compromised in any fashion, though, it should be sold with a disclaimer / reduced price, etc.

[pilgrimvalley]

the listing said it was new. so hopefully they don't send some refurbished garbage.

[pilgrimvalley]

PowerJack may of blacklisted me on eBay after i sent back a damaged 15k 48-volt inverter that was damaged and then never bought it again. they have a strange way of refunding your money and then trying to sell it outside of eBay where you have no recourse. 

maybe this is their way of sending out refurbished units; but eBay customer support said not to do it. 

PowerJack would not send the replacement parts so i had to go through the pain of boxing up that 130 pound inverter and sending the whole thing back. this one i believe went to Sean still. i am sure they lost money on the shipping over just sending out the replacement part. so what they write and what they actually follow through with are 2 different things.

i have had to send 3 very heavy 15k and 20k inverters back for shipping damage. or maybe poor boxing protection from the sellers end!

i hope they don't sell refurbished and advertise as new. that would suck big time! 😎

did they totally quit sending returns to Sean?

[pilgrimvalley]

of course I was just following the suggestion on the YouTube video of Sean at that time to open up the PowerJack inverter and found the shipping damage on the last 15k 48-volt inverter where they had me return it vs sending repair parts.

I now notice Sean always says not to open up the inverters in his newer videos.

just plug them in and let them fry! Ha Ha Ha! 🤣🤣

[Sid Genetry Solar]

5 hours ago, pilgrimvalley said:

i hope they don't sell refurbished and advertise as new. that would suck big time! 😎

Oh you better believe that's exactly what they do.

Seriously, yes.

 

5 hours ago, pilgrimvalley said:

did they totally quit sending returns to Sean?

Unofficially...in other words, the most definitive information he has ever heard about that was from a customer reporting a PJ message response here on the forums:

But to my knowledge no further returns have been sent to Sean.  Kinda works out in a way, that way he can focus on GS stuff full time...

 

[pilgrimvalley]

yea, kind of sad, i have been following Sean for several years.

they rob ideas, their warranty is abut 14 days in all reality before it costs more to return postage 1 or 2 ways than it may be worth. there is no way i can imagine paying freight 2 ways for the 160 pound 20k inverter that they replaced due to improper seller packaging. i was the guinea pig for that one - the 1st in the USA.

i likely have the only one made with the huge transformer and 2 lcd screens as they quit putting the lcd screens in that model as far as i know for the most part.

it took over 3 months for them to manufacture the replacement but they did replace it due to the shipping damage. the 20k 48 volt monster.

thanks for your replies. have a great Sunday; its has been raining all day here.

doing some inside electrical work!

[pilgrimvalley]

 24-volt 6000watt PowerJack AMG version PSW SP LF inverter arrived yesterday. As usual the box is beat up a bit, so had to open it. only the styrofoam took the beating. it is the smaller size, not near as long or heavy as my 8000watt inverter.

inside it has a card that states if you go to their website and register the new inverter they will extend the warranty to 15 months...????

I will open it up later, the big difference I note is it only has one 110volt outlet on the outside and the jumpers are already preinstalled on the outside of the inverter.

Also it has the 4 connections on the front to connect to a panel to output 110 or 220volts depending on how you jumper it....

it looks brand new with no indication of a used/refurbished unit>>>> so likely a container load was shipped to their Walnut California warehouse.

they seemed to have covered up the version of transformer on the box with shipping label so I will have to investigate that further also.

It included a different version manual than previous PowerJack inverters. About as helpful and informative as previous ones though!

more later 😎 have a great day all, 60 foot scissor lift coming today!! its gas/propane dual fuel, but I considered an electric one to convert to LiFePO4 but too many irons in the fire right now!

[pilgrimvalley]

24-volt AMG 6000watt LFPSWSP-6000

label on end of box???

11.5kg;

ASSL 800 AMG -1-10.4 ( ??? not sure)

2021 8 4 likely the manufacture date

60 Hz

10.4 board???

110/220

attached is a picture

 

[pilgrimvalley]

made up inverter cables yesterday, hooked up the 24-voll 6000watt powerjack amg version lf sp psw to a 24 voolt prebuilt LiFePO4 battery and no smoke came out and the garage sale treble light worked (had not tried it before),

did not open it up but wonder what the AASSL 800 AMG - 1-10.4 means as far as the transformer inside goes.

usually that ells you the transformer installed....

any ideas? see picture above. 

[dickson]

did not open it up but wonder what the AASSL 800 AMG - 1-10.4 means as far as the transformer inside goes

Inside the box is a tag  that  tell  the transformer size and the  primary input  ac voltage  if it is 32 vac like the GS 32 vac  and the  L1  N  and  L2  N  is perfect balanced . 

The  new control board  should be rev11.1  with  a  single small  board  like the GS inverter   with no separate output board  like  your new  20kw  AMG .